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laffen Posts: > 500

The mobile platform competition is hard. Especially for underdogs like Windows Phone and companies such as Nokia which is entirely dependent on the success of Microsoft

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Posted: 2013-03-08 11:24:48
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razec Posts: > 500

I only know one thing, Windows Phone will not die, just as how Windows CE/PocketPC/Mobile existed/continue to exist during the peak years of Palm and Symbian. Though I'm completely clueless about Nokia's success/survival should Windows Phone repeats the same fate as its predecessors.
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Posted: 2013-03-08 12:32:54
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Bonovox Posts: > 500

In a good key market in the last quarter Nokia has sold 2 million Lumia handsets. It's getting better and Nokia is really pushing it and there is signs of growth. Although not at the rate of Android it's still a decent improvement since last year. Microsoft can survive without Windows Phone but can Nokia?? How long is this contract with MS?? If it goes wrong can Nokia make a fast transition to Android??
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Posted: 2013-03-08 13:20:00
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hihihans Posts: > 500

Nokia and Android? Not likely. If this really fails Nokia can make IOS phones.
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Posted: 2013-03-09 01:10:00
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Tsepz_GP Posts: > 500

iOS as in Apple??? Apple don't license iOS out. There's a greater chance of pigs flying than Apple licensing out its precious!

If WP does fails I'd say Nokia shareholders will most def. force them to go Android, it won't be a choice, or MAYBE go the Ubuntu or Firefox route, but I doubt they'd take another chance with a new kid on the block.
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Posted: 2013-03-09 02:08:32
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Supa_Fly Posts: > 500

Razec, CE/PocketPC/Mobile are all pretty much dead; Windows CE is only barely still relevant in POS systems and a few other imbedded systems, not much lately. Good take though because so many here do not know of Microsoft's power in the past ... I'm still perplexed at their blatant laziness to be honest.

Sean,
after 12mths ... 2 million phones is NOT enough. We'll see March 28th of Blackberry's sales numbers (for less than 1 month recorded) and if they exceed then nokia is in SERIOUS trouble! Nokia needs to refine their strategy or exit the mobile industry and once again re-invent themselves (like they did when leaving the textile industry).
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Posted: 2013-03-09 09:54:05
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Ranjith Posts: > 500

Would be really sad to see NOKIA get the raw end of the deal.NOKIA is making absolutely great HW...i doubt there is anything more a HW maker can do..if anything is stopping WP sales,its Windows.NOKIA has bee really pushing it too and Windows is getting popular.NOKIA might need to think of making Android soon if this is the case


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Posted: 2013-03-09 12:44:29
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Tsepz_GP Posts: > 500

I've been seeing a lot of Nokia Lumia adverts recently, their ads play just as much as the GS3 and Note2 ads combined as of what ive seen this week, so Nokia are working hard, but just as I predicted, MS are really holding them back with their restrictions in WP.

Nokia are not some small company you dictate to, they are the sort of company you work with as an equal partner, they have a lot to give.
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Posted: 2013-03-09 13:20:53
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Bonovox Posts: > 500

@Hardened,no Nokia sold 2 million Lumia phones in the last quarter in China not the last 12 months. That's positive start in an important market like China. Nokia Lumia is a fantastic brand with great quality and design. MS are holding back Nokia. Since before Nokia began the partnership Windows was nothing in the market. I also see the adverts on tv everywhere and also they sponsored a number of TV dramas over here.

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Posted: 2013-03-09 17:20:00
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Supa_Fly Posts: > 500


On 2013-03-09 13:20:53, Tsepz_GP wrote:
Nokia are not some small company you dictate to, they are the sort of company you work with as an equal partner, they have a lot to give.


Nokia is no longer the 500lb guerilla it once was in the cellular industry ... in fact their more the 5/50lb monkey:
Selling 3 headquarters in Helsinki, another 2 globally. Laying off 5000 staff with another 2000 shortly (this has been recently delayed), and now this financial F-20 report! This is NOT good news and more a warning that just standard simply stating lower expected revenue/sales for the upcoming quarter.

Comparing Nokia vs BlackBerry (on Bloomberg US)
http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/NOK:US

30 Day Average Volume 46,280,088
Est. EPS (EUR) (12/2013) 0.0400
Market Cap (M USD) 13,781.44
Shares Outstanding (M) 3,744.96

Last Dividend 05/06/2013
5 Year Dividend Growth -12.67%
Next Earnings Announcement 04/18/2013
1-Yr Rtn: -21.44%
52wk Range: 1.6300 - 5.5700


http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/BBRY:US
30 Day Average Volume 67,972,960 (looks more volatile; currently is as emotions/perceptions r all over the map)

Est. EPS (USD) (02/2013) (doesn't include Z10 or current supplychain overhaul until 3/28/2013)
Market Cap (M USD) 6,845.53 (just half of what Nokia has, if equal EPS and a dividend may have been offered).
Shares Outstanding (M) 524.16

Last Dividend (blank)
5 Year Dividend Growth (blank)
Next Earnings Announcement 03/28/2013
1-Yr Rtn: -3.83% (and the news is hating on BB more than Nokia?!! Appalling with this alone; BB is delivering!)
52wk Range: 6.2200 - 18.3200

RIM has no ... absolutely NO debt (not in financing loans or anything else), and has a better proposition at a new business - Machine-2-Machine Business and its a virtical business a new frontier.
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Posted: 2013-03-10 03:26:32
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