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This is absolute madness. Russia needs to wake up to the 21st century and drop all this "propaganda" about homosexual law, as Bono said those that are homophobic are trying to hide something. It makes me sick to thing that people could and will go to prison just for being gay or even support gay rights. All credit to Tim Cook for coming out maybe this will lead to more high profile people doing the same and maybe even the odd Russian celebrity/politician will do the same.
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Posted: 2014-11-05 10:48:23
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Good luck to Tim Cook yes, he's a brave and inspirational fella.

I wonder what is going on in Russia now and whether there really is a backlash. Pretty funny if you ask me.
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Posted: 2014-11-05 16:58:40
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The funny thing is sometime ago Putin was showing his bare chest off in the Russian wilderness & he looked gay himself



He looks like someone from the Village People

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Posted: 2014-11-05 22:23:07
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Ha ha.
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Posted: 2014-11-06 00:28:43
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Seems to be very fashionable the last few years. This whole 'coming out' thing is getting needlessly overplayed. While I agree the hype machine is unaffected, mostly due to Apple's rainbow original logo (public original, not THE real-original logo which was really solid Black - like it was briefly in 2001-2003), This should NOT have HAD to be a public statement.

- does the end user of Apple products REALLY at the core of it give a rats SHI*E about the CEO being /not-being gay?
- does it increase the stock price?
- does it really affect how HE will be treated by his company, investors, company partners etc?
- I'm VERY curious to see Dre's reaction if any ... then again he's not loosing ANY street-cred on this ... anywaaaay!

So why the NEED for Tim to make this public? Really what does it benefit him if his life is so - so damn healthy & private?! Who gives a real FAK?! I'd say 'because it's fashionable' ... to shock or be in the "IN" crowd, being gay is like being the new emmo, or sorry better yet yuppy!

You're shocked in some places being gay leads you to going to jail?!

Come to my side of life where trying to get on a bus having no fare and being kicked off leads you to be chased not by one, but 4 cops, gunned down, and KILLED in your own 'hood (not a ghetto) ... yeah that's right! 2014. In all places, San Francisco - predominantly high population that relates to this threads top, coincedentally.

^ Video taped.

http://www.examiner.com/artic[....]mes-back-and-while-laying-down

http://beforeitsnews.com/alte[....]s-fare-live-video-3015928.html



So while Tim dares the status quo to go public about being gay - good for him for finally being honest, non-fearful, and well most likely making his lover happy, as he claims Tim himself is happy ... there are a LOT bigger issues going on in this world than worrying about one's sexual preference. The way I move in this world, is VERY carefully - even in Canada I'm a potential suspect of any crime reported as comitted by a black male ... because in GTA, GHA, Vancouver, etc .... police carry high contract pictures of black suspects - which is the equivalent of having a picture taken in various shades of red and try to determine which red-rose is the brightest. Like colour printers don't exist to have better quality photos. I was halted on my way to work several years ago in Hamilton, ON on the main street because I looked like the part. I couldn't even tell what their black suspect looked like and I'm Black.

Being opprossed due to being gay in any country is not so large an issue ... Canada, in fact Toronto alone has officially seen more gay marriages than any country and offer for freedom has been successful for many country's.

[RANT OFF]
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Posted: 2014-11-06 15:23:53
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I think this is exactly why its getting controversial. Why would he come out now? And why is he so proud? In one of the articles posted above..... there's nothin wrong with being gay, but does he have to brag about it?

Like it or not, Tim is a very public figure, he's like a celebrity in the tech world. Even if he doesn't want it (or he does?) ... children look up to him, he's like a 'mentor' or something like it. And just like any mentor - he has a responsibility to his followers. Which is why Russia thinks... he is sending the "wrong message" to children, by saying he is "proud" to be gay.

a quote from the article above.


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Another thing, I also saw in one of the articles, ........" If a child sees a man kissing another man on the lips... will Tim say to that child that it's wrong?" Will he still lead by example, and say its wrong, when its clearly something he's okay with?

I think this is one of the roots of the controversy. And is maybe the same reason Saudi Arabia and other middle eastern countries has the same anti-gay laws... they want to preserve their traditional values?


cheers!

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Posted: 2014-11-06 19:33:15
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I am not shocked by any of the treatment gay people get these days because there will always be people out there whom are prejudice. I just think it's wrong how they get treated I just live & let live with gay people I have nothing against them(as long as they don't touch me) Although I also do not get why it's so cool and fashionable to 'come out' as I don't go around celebrating me being straight. I never understand the need to tell the world
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Posted: 2014-11-06 19:40:58
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I wouldn't say it was 'cool' as such. From his point of view, from what I've read, a big part of it was to help others who might be in the same situation.

In Russia, it's a big problem for gays. I've watched some horrific documentaries on the issues some face in Russia. It's like the worst form or racism, people being battered in the streets, ostracised, disowned, beaten to death etc.

In the West, the EU, the US etc, because we live in a liberal democracy, the message to people from all backgrounds is that as long as your not harming anyone else then you should be free to live your life. Sure, not everyone will agree with your lifestyle, your religion or whatever but you should be able to feel safe and live your life as a productive member of society, CEO's included.

How this affects Apple's business, well it's early to say because their products are hugely popular in countries where you can be killed for being gay. However, there is news blackouts and such so this news might not even make a ripple in the news.

To a lot, this isn't news worth mentioning. The fact that it's Apple makes it news. I would certainly be more surprised if the head of Sony came out as being gayer than a box of ribbons ha ha ha.
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Posted: 2014-11-06 20:48:15
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If we want to talk politics then this is probably a move from Russia to curb out western influence i.e. America.

Apple is the symbol of America and a very successful one, using this as bait is just a small snowball waiting to get bigger.

Its like Americans banning Smirnoff Vodka and claiming Russia are full of alcoholics.
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Posted: 2014-11-06 21:02:26
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Ha ha. Please let's not ban Smirnoff!

Yeah, but I agree, the whole issue will probably become a political football for Russian politicians to score points with.
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Posted: 2014-11-06 21:16:17
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